Tagged: Catholic Church

But the Catholic Church teaches the fullness of truth.

De Maria October 21, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Hi alan almeida,

You said:

Doesn’t the Roman Catholic church takes verses out of context

No.

and teaches that its Baptism that saves when its not the whole truth?

It does not seem intentional, but that is a loaded question. It insinuates that a partial truth is somehow wrong. But it isn’t A partial truth is wrong if mixed with a lie. But a partial truth which simply leaves out other details is not a lie. For instance, a person can say that he lives in Texas and although that is only part of the story, there is no sin. The fact that he only lives their one half of the year, is another detail which does not make the first detail false.

It is true that Baptism saves. It is also true that anyone who is baptized and then falls away from the faith and from the grace of God, that person may lose his salvation:

1 Timothy 1:19

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

2 Peter 2:22

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Verses taken our of context become pretext and prime candidates for breeding heresies.

I agree with you. But the Catholic Church teaches the fullness of truth. It is Protestants which teach heresies.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

Do you believe that Jesus Christ promised to lead the Church unto the end of the world?

Did the Catholic Church give us the Bible?

What Protestants should know

We aren’t Protestants

Craig Truglia says:
April 29, 2015 at 2:11 am
I’m not making myself an authority on anything. 

Yes, Craig, you are.

Let me explain, from Scripture.

Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Do you deny that Scripture is teaching, in this verse, that the Church is the Teacher of God’s word?

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Do you deny that in this verse, Scripture is teaching that Christ speaks through His Church?

See, Craig, you are asking us to set Christ aside and listen to you. Because Christ speaks through His Church. Therefore, if you want us to set the Church aside and listen to you, you are asking us to set Christ aside.

The fact you cannot actually respond to what is written but instead lament that because I am not the Catholic Church, I am by default wrong, reflects a circular logic.

It is circular logic to you because you would never dream of NOT leaning upon your own understanding. But we obey Scripture:

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

The truth is that, unless Protestants think they understand a doctrine, they won’t believe it. They, you, wouldn’t dream of accepting a doctrine unless you can quantify it in your own mind.

But we believe the Church whether we understand the Doctrine or not, because we believe Jesus Christ is speaking through the Church.

You can verify that whether I am apostate or you are, because verification means nothing to you.

On the contrary, we have verified that you contradict the Catholic Church and that means that you contradict Jesus Christ who speaks through His Church.

The sole authority is the Catholic Church, regardless of what earlier Catholics have written, what the Scripture says, or the internal logical consistency of present-day Catholic teachings (here prayers for the dead.)

The sole authority is God who established the Catholic Church and speaks through Her. It is she who wrote the New Testament based upon the Traditions passed down by Jesus Christ.

Decrying that I am not Catholic and therefore my opinion is invalid does not prove anything and it is an argument that only impresses the ignorant.

We don’t decry that you aren’t Catholic. We decry that you put yourself in authority over the Word of God. We decry that you put yourself above Jesus Christ.

We aren’t Protestants with whom you can quibble about the meaning of this and that word in Scripture. We aren’t Protestants with whom you can discover the meaning of the Scripture. We aren’t Protestants with whom you can invent new meanings to the Word of God.

We are Catholics. The true sons of Abraham. Who believe the Doctrines of Jesus Christ which have been passed down by the Catholic Church for 2000 years.

I hope you’re not insulted.

Do these verses not show that Jesus Christ appointed a Pastor over His Church?

This is why I believe that the office of Pope in the Catholic Church is in accordance with Scripture.

Jesus Christ appointed a Pastor as head of the entire Church:

John 21:17
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Jesus Christ said that the Pastor over His Church would be infallible:

Matthew 16:17-19 (King James Version)
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Does anyone disagree?