Tagged: Apostles

Two articles at Catholic365

Where is the Mass in the Bible?
As usual, the word “mass” is not in the Bible. This is starting to get monotonous, right? Why aren’t any Catholic Doctrines named in the Bible? 
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The Apostles v Protestant theology
In the comments of the “Five facts….” thread, a Protestant is challenging the idea that the Apostles were Catholic. So, he wants to compare Apostolic Teaching to Catholic Teaching. 
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Is Justification a process?

According to Heb 11:8,

Hebrews 11:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Abraham came to faith in Gen 12:1-4,

but according to Romans 4:3 he was not justified until Gen 15:6.

Romans 4:3King James Version (KJV)

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

And according to James 2:24, Abraham is further justified in Gen 22:1-18.

James 2:20-22King James Version (KJV)

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?  21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?  22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

So, it took a long time for Abraham to be justified.

But Scripture also says:

2 Corinthians 4:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

St. Paul says we are justified (i.e. renewed) day by day.  That sounds like a long process.  One that lasts a life time.

1 Samuel 13:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the Lord hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the Lord hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.

1 Samuel 16:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

God justifies David twice in 1 Samuel.

2 Samuel 12:7-13 King James Version (KJV)

7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;  8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. 11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Then he loses his justification when he sins by adultery with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah, then begs forgiveness and gets it back.

In the New Testament, all the Apostles and disciples were justified by Jesus Christ and then they fell away when He was arrested by the Jews. Then they came back when He rose again from the dead.

Yeah, it sounds to me like justification is a process.  A lifetime process.

The Case for the Gospels

So, is it true that the case for the truth of the Gospels would be thrown out of court?  I don’t think so.

First of all, Matthew is one of Jesus’ Apostles. That means that he is Jesus follower and contemporary who witnessed many of Jesus miracles as well as His Resurrection. So, Matthew is an eyewitness. Eyewitness testimony is permitted in court.

Then there’s Mark. Mark is Peter’s secretary. Also a contemporary of Jesus and one of the disciples who was with the twelve from the beginning. Mark’s gospel however, is the penning of Peter’s teachings by Mark. So, Mark’s Gospel can be considered both eyewitness testimony and substantiation of Matthew’s Gospel.

Luke’s Gospel is written by a learned man. A physician. Luke however, was not with the twelve from the beginning. He may have witnessed Jesus’ resurrection but certainly he witnessed the miracles of the Apostles and of Paul, whose companion he became. These things he wrote about also in his other book, the Acts of the Apostles. So, Luke’s Gospel is not eyewitness testimony. It is however, the documentation of eyewitness testimony by an investigator. Luke says so himself:

Luke1: 1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a narration of the things that have been accomplished among us; 2 According as they have delivered them unto us, who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word: 3 It see med good to me also, having diligently attained to all things from the beginning, to write to thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4 That thou mayest know the verity of those words in which thou hast been instructed.

And that leaves John. John, of course, is an Apostle of Jesus Christ. He, therefore, is also a contemporary and an eyewitness. John’s Gospel was written after the first three, or synoptic Gospels and includes in his Gospel many things which the others ommitted. He also leaves out many things which the others included. Therefore, John’s Gospel is eyewitness testimony which substantiates and corroborates the other eyewitnesses.

How might the case go had it been brought to court?  It actually did go to court, see Acts 4:1-23 and Acts 5:17-42.  But I’m envisioning a more modern setting.

Mr. Simon bar Jonah to the stand please!

Peter!  Their calling for you!

Here I am sir!  My name has officially been changed to Peter, if you don’t mind.

Who changed your name to Peter?

Jesus Christ sir.

Is Jesus Christ here present?

Yes sir.  But in the Spirit.  However, my brethren are here and they were witnesses to the event.

Who are these witnesses?

Well, there are many, but would four suffice?

That is more than enough.  What are their names?

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Are they the four whose testimonies I have read?

Yes sir.

There are some incredible things written in those documents.  Do you expect us to believe them?

Yes sir.  16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

 19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Pet 1).

Well, compared to that Mohammed fellow, you have plenty of witnesses.  Can you imagine he tried to pass off his 40 secretaries as witnesses?  All they did was write what he told them to write.  Not only that, but some fellow named Uthman came along and burned all their original writings and substituted his copy claiming it was better than the original.  I wasn’t born yesterday!

I look forward to hearing your case Mr. Peter.

It’s St. Peter, sir.  Thank you!

So, in my opinion, there is much more evidence for the Gospels than there is for Islam.

See also Muslim Imam converts and the case for Islam.