Tagged: ambassadors of Christ

Fr. Okoye wants us to give the world a message

Fr. Sebastine Okoye wants Catholics to tell the whole world.  That Jesus loves them.  And Jesus can heal them.  And Jesus wants us all in His Kingdom.

Pass the message along.  Text it.  Tweet it.  Tell everyone!
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Jesus doesn’t want us to come to Him through the Church?

He doesn’t? Then why did Jesus send the Church out to make disciples?
Matthew 28:19-20

King James Version (KJV)
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


First, Jesus sent the Church, an organization which He established to teach His philosophy.
phi·los·o·phy/fəˈläsəfē/

Noun:
  1. The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline.
  2. A set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning such study or an aspect of it.

philosophy c.1300, from O.Fr. filosofie (12c.), from L. philosophia, from Gk.philosophia “love of knowledge, wisdom,” from philo- “loving” (see philo-) +sophia “knowledge, wisdom,” from sophis “wise, learned;” of unknown origin.

Second, this organization is composed of prophets (and prophetesses) as well as Apostles and teachers and many other folks with a variety of gifts all of which they use to edify the other members of the Church.

1 Corinthians 12:28

King James Version (KJV)
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Therefore Scripture says:
Hebrews 13:7

King James Version (KJV)
7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

To me, it sounds very much as though Christ wants us to come to Him through the Church.

He doesn’t? Then why did Jesus send the Church out to make disciples?

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

A, St. Paul says that God is reconciling the world to Himself through Christ.
B, St. Paul says that God is speaking to the world, through the Church – as though God did beseech you by us:
C, he says that the Church is praying for the world to God IN PLACE OF CHRIST – we pray you in Christ’s stead
Insinuating, that reconciliation with the Church is reconciliation with God – that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself; be ye reconciled to God.
In other words, he is saying, be reconciled to God, through us. Us, being the Church, the Apostles and Disciples who represent the Church.

So, if Jesus did not want us to come to Him through the Church and the people in His Church, why did He send the Church out to teach, make disciples and Baptize in His name?

I said something rather good before coffee this morning, what was that?

Oh yeah.

I was sort of taken aback by a Protestant who objected to our faith in the Church.  That’s not what I was surprised about.  I was surprised by the fact that he objected to his obvious faith in Calvin and Luther.

When he objected to our faith in the Church, I retorted that there was little difference between our faith in the Church and his faith in Martin, Luther and the document called the Westminister Confession of Faith (WCF).

Anyway, my answer went something like this:

De Maria said,

November 25, 2014 at 1:07 pm

Don said,

November 25, 2014 at 12:35 pm

De Maria 1306,

“Depend upon” vs. “reject” is a false dichotomy.

How about “accept” vs “reject”? I said:

Why don’t you answer that part of the question?

If you don’t and if you accept them and rely upon them, how am I bearing false witness?

Do you accept the teachings of Calvin or not? Do you accept the teachings of the WCF of not?

No, I am not going to answer your loaded questions.

Where is the question loaded? Do you not believe the WCF? If you do, is faith, believing? or not?

Do you believe Calvin and Luther or not? Is faith, believing?

Good luck trusting your denomination.

I don’t need luck. I know that God speaks through the Catholic Church. I know that the Church prays for me in Christ’s stead:

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Who speaks to you “as though God did beseech you”? Who prays for you ” in Christ’s stead”? Calvin? Luther? Who?

Do you even believe these verses?